STBB #883

[JoaGymshoe]

i'm stubborn coz i know i should be tweaking this mix till the death.. but i'm just too excited about it..

used nothing but..and all samples.. extracted the vocals from track 4 only..

bass from a piano stroke from sample 2.. tape distortion, filtering etc.

kick: sample 1 ..snare: 4 .. cymbs: 2.. melody: 3 etc.

had mad fun with the vocals

dope week so far !

 

[UNCLE HESH]

smh

 

[JoaGymshoe]

increase in spam posts the last couple of days..

feel free to message if you see unwanted bs.. thx!

 

[5XVT]

Maybe the opening battle posts needs a little table of what’s allowed - there’s so much that goes into some beats that it’s open to interpretation?

I use Serato Studio so stems are built into the DAW so not like I’m going out of my way to separate stuff, it’s a little toggle switch on the track.

Fwiw - I don’t see using stems any different to people using acapellas on tracks most weeks (essentially a vocal stem)

 

[FatVonFree]

Maybe the opening battle posts needs a little table of what’s allowed - there’s so much that goes into some beats that it’s open to interpretation?

I use Serato Studio so stems are built into the DAW so not like I’m going out of my way to separate stuff, it’s a little toggle switch on the track.

Fwiw - I don’t see using stems any different to people using acapellas on tracks most weeks (essentially a vocal stem)

Agreed mane!!!

 

[5XVT]

Something like:

| Stems | No
| Drums | Samples Only
| VST Instruments | Yes
| Live Instruments | No
| Acapellas | No
| Live Raps | Yes
| FX | Yes

 

[JoaGymshoe]

Weekly Beat Battles at the STBB Forever Forum

DEFAULT RULES:

The winner of the previous week's battle is required set the rules.
if one can't do so: have a sample and rule set ready on forehand or don't enter.
Here are the default rules:

• Flip the chosen sample any way you want.
• Allowed: outside drums and bass, vocal shots, cuts/scratches, fx like crackle etc.
own recorded and/or played vocals, acapellas, instruments and synths
• ^^ Basically everything unless the winner/week starter states otherwise in the brief.
• One entry per person - when collabing that counts as their one entry for all who are in on that.
- extra entries are allowed but must be labelled "Non-entry" in the track title.
- entries posted after the deadline must be labelled as 'late entry' in the track title.

NOTES:

• Only beats that adhere to the rules and that are labelled correctly get reposted and added to the playlist.
• Please don't make significant rule/sample changes to be made after posting. Clarifying, yes.
• The winner has the final say on entries being legit or not based on the rules provided.
• Beats that are the same as another entry but with or without aca won't be reposted.

 

[5XVT]

Just thought it'd be easier in the battle post - especially if they are a new member, theres no link to that post in the description.

If they were there at the top as a simple yes / no, theres no reason for any rule breaking?

 

[JoaGymshoe]

Maybe the opening battle posts needs a little table of what’s allowed - there’s so much that goes into some beats that it’s open to interpretation?

I use Serato Studio so stems are built into the DAW so not like I’m going out of my way to separate stuff, it’s a little toggle switch on the track.

yeah, good idea ..it needs to get maintained though.. but maybe that's a matter of pointing it out a couple of times..

there have been these little 'tables' of and on in the past.

we recently implemented the calendar and have thought of automating the weekly topic start with a default rule set to tweak.. once we get a new site / code.

i put the default Rules up to show we could add stem splitting as default: yes .. so it could also just be matter of.. saying: no, to a few things..

Fwiw - I don’t see using stems any different to people using acapellas on tracks most weeks (essentially a vocal stem)

hmm, to a degree..it's just the one stem /layer.. and it can't be used as a basis etc.. also it has a whole 'nother feeling .. and purpose with conveying meaning with words..

 

[JoaGymshoe]

Just thought it'd be easier in the battle post - especially if they are a new member, theres no link to that post in the description.

If they were there at the top as a simple yes / no, theres no reason for any rule breaking?

ah, was typing my previous message..

yeah, till it's automated somebody has to be on top of making sure it gets added.. i'm always at work at exactly that time..

and one never knows what time the winner posts..( before the deadline of course )

but we can definitely try

edit: oh, yeah, we could add a reminder with an example in or beneath the post announcing the winner..

 

[glasstapes]

I use Serato Studio so stems are built into the DAW so not like I’m going out of my way to separate stuff, it’s a little toggle switch on the track.

Fwiw - I don’t see using stems any different to people using acapellas on tracks most weeks (essentially a vocal stem)

also agreed but i think we all form our own creative ethos when it comes to how we deploy technology and choosing specific limitations, or lack thereof.

the stem stuff blows my mind and i use it a lot but i try to also take the time to set it aside and push myself to get something out of a sample that i wouldnt otherwise if i just chucked it into moises or whatever.

but at the same time i have no judgement for those who only use stems either. its not my place to critique how some else approaches art, even if maybe what they are doing is out of pure accessibility and choosing path of least resistance. thats only going to be more prevalent as technology advances.

we arent too far away from kids prompt producing whole beats with an ai lol. in my view i just want to push my own creative journey along as i see fit, making what is unique and interesting to me. too much crazy stuff out there to really get too bothered about it

 

[JoaGymshoe]

..there is also the matter of not everybody having the stem technology..

i think it's 4 goes a month maximum on that free online splitter..

 

[5XVT]

Serato Studio is free but not sure if the Stems is in that build or you have to subscribe for it…

Edit - it is included in the free version

 

[JoaGymshoe]

ah, that's cool.. i'll have a look at it .. ..however we can't really expect people to change daws or add one, right?

plus there's peeps that don't use daws..

 

[5XVT]

You can just bounce the stems of each track and put them into whatever.

For the record I’m not against ruling no stem separation for certain battles but it felt like I was being called out immediately after I posted my entry like I was cheating or something.

 

[JoaGymshoe]

i understand that.. there is still point two..

ah, it wasn't my intention to call you out as a cheater

my intention with the 'pack only' , the week before was to find a way to extract and shape sounds etc.

i still voted Julian first.. so in that regard.. no cheating as it wasn't discussed as a rule..

this week the same rule set.. and you posting it like that did prompt me to share my thoughts..

and yes.. i do think in certain instances it's forgoing on the original art of sampling etc.

doesn't say we shouldn't be allowed to do it..

personally i wouldn't want it allowed per default though..

 

[5XVT]

Fair enough, I missed last week so didn't know it'd been brought up before.

All I'd like to see is for the rules to be clear as to what is and what isn't allowed, per week (including stems now thats available)

 

[per.du]

upfront: sorry I sparked another ruleset-discussion, I hope ya'll still having fun!

A table-like overview for the weeks ruleset sounds good, however in this weeks case I feel like samples only means only this: samples only. So you can microsample, split, use FX and so on. I feel like microsampling is kind of missing the topic (but still: not forbidden this week).

about splitting tracks with your tool of choice.
Personally I feel like seperating the samples into stems is like adding a third dimension to sampling. It doesn't break sampling imo, it can substantially change the process though.
I don't use splitting-tools often because the ones I tested produced weird artefacts (that can be cool) and low quality audio results. However I didn't think of it beeing forbidden if not explicitly mentioned in the ruleset.
(This week I used such a tool on one sample though, came out nicely )

@5XVT: since when is Serato studio for free? last time I checked it was about 200€ :O

 

[glasstapes]

Serato Studio is free but not sure if the Stems is in that build or you have to subscribe for it…

Edit - it is included in the free version

is it? i literally just downloaded it and could not get the stems part to work all it seems to have is the vocal and instrumental isolator

 

[glasstapes]

upfront: sorry I sparked another ruleset-discussion, I hope ya'll still having fun!

A table-like overview for the weeks ruleset sounds good, however in this weeks case I feel like samples only means only this: samples only. So you can microsample, split, use FX and so on. I feel like microsampling is kind of missing the topic (but still: not forbidden this week).

about splitting tracks with your tool of choice.
Personally I feel like seperating the samples into stems is like adding a third dimension to sampling. It doesn't break sampling imo, it can substantially change the process though.
I don't use splitting-tools often because the ones I tested produced weird artefacts (that can be cool) and low quality audio results. However I didn't think of it beeing forbidden if not explicitly mentioned in the ruleset.
(This week I used such a tool on one sample though, came out nicely )

@5XVT: since when is Serato studio for free? last time I checked it was about 200€ :O

yea in my experience the paid tools have higher quality sample rate and less artifacts.

i'm fine ppl having a no stems rule, if someone wins the week they get to choose, as long as its explicitly stated. otherwise anything that isnt stated should be fair game (imo)